We are taking a little break from our Lennon/McCartney Breakup Series to bring you this interview with the fabulous Chris O’Dell!

In this episode Diana and Thalia have a conversation with Chris O’Dell, the author of the book Miss O’Dell: My Hard Days And Long Nights With The Beatles, The Stones, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton And The Women They Loved. Chris O’Dell has led an extraordinary life as a close friend of the Beatles, Pattie Boyd and Maureen Starkey.  She was an early Apple employee, worked for Peter Asher and was among the world’s first female tour managers.  She worked on many legendary tours, including the iconic 70’s tours of Bob Dylan, George Harrison, The Rolling Stones, and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.  She was the subject of George Harrison’s song “Miss O’Dell” as well as Leon Russell’s songs “Pisces Apple Lady” and “Hummingbird.”

We dig into hot topics like Apple in the early days, the day John quit the Beatles, the Maureen/Ringo/George triangle; Paul in 1968, Paul and Linda as a couple. John Lennon during the “lost weekend,” the day Paul quit the Beatles and George’s reaction. the Beatles vs. the Stones, and much more.

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Spiraling Towards Divorce: Cold Turkey, the 4/4/4/2 Meeting, and the L/M “Myth” – 8 L/M Breakup Series

In part 8 of the L/M Breakup Series, Diana and Phoebe explore the events, meetings, maneuvers and negotiations that took place during the first half of September 1969. They trace how things start to escalate and go off the tracks following the relative harmony of the Abbey Road sessions. Covered in this episode are: John and Yoko’s cold turkey experience, Mary McCartney’s birth, The Isle of Wight festival, the 4/4/4/2 meeting and the “myth” of Lennon/McCartney.

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“If I Ran Away from You: Part 6″ Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles

my partners new partnerIn this episode, Diana and Phoebe dissect the different ways John and Paul both grappled with being replaced by each others’ wives.  They explore the  push and pull of Holding On versus Letting Go, skewering the myths of the breakup, and shining a light on Linda, an often overlooked but vital piece of the puzzle.

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“If I Ran Away from You: Part 4″ Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles

In this episode, Diana and Phoebe begin their investigation into the issues that separated John and Paul and turned them against each other, the most significant of which was Allen Klein: the Demon King of the Beatles Break-up. 
They examine how Klein drove a wedge between Paul and John and hastened the band’s demise. They also discuss what Paul McCartney describes as “the cracking of the Liberty Bell,” a hugely important moment in the journey of the Beatles.
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“If I Ran Away from You: Part 3.B″ Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles

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In this episode, Diana and Phoebe pick up where they left off, in the spring of 1969. They focus on the Ballad of John and Yoko as a concept and dissect its mythology.  

Part B breaks down the tenets of the mythology and explores the purpose it serves for John and Yoko — and how it has impacted the telling of the Beatles story.

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“If I Ran Away from You: Part 3.A″ Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles

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In this episode, Diana and Phoebe pick up where they left off, in the spring of 1969. They focus on the Ballad of John and Yoko as a concept and dissect its mythology. 

Part A re-centers the story on John and Paul.

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“If I Ran Away from You: Ep. 2 Pt. 2″ Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles

Part 2 is here!

In the second installment of our Break-up series, Diana and Phoebe take a DEEP look into January 1969, when the Beatles record and film Let it Be.

Part 1 reflects on the sub-textual conversation revealed in their behaviors and their music.  Part 2 (this one) looks at some of the underlying issues of the break-up as they play out in this period.

This multi-part series explores the emotional roots of the Beatles break-up with a focus on Lennon/McCartney.

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“If I Ran Away from You: Ep. 2 Pt. 1” Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles

In the second installment of our Break-up series, Diana and Phoebe take a DEEP look into January 1969, when the Beatles record and film Let it Be.  

Part 1 reflects on the sub-textual conversation revealed in their behaviors and their music.  Part 2 (Coming very soon!) looks at some of the underlying issues of the break-up as they play out in this period.  

This multi-part series explores the emotional roots of the Beatles break-up with a focus on Lennon/McCartney.

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IF I RAN AWAY FROM YOU: Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles. Episode 1, PARTS 1 & 2

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IF I RAN AWAY FROM YOU: Love, War, and the Games that Ended the Beatles. Episode 1

In this multi-part series, Diana and Phoebe explore the emotional roots of the Beatles break-up with a focus on Lennon/McCartney. They use John’s and Paul’s contemporaneous words and behaviors to challenge the traditional narrative and show how this delicate negotiation for love and security went disastrously awry. In the first installment, they begin their re-examination by tracing the  Big Bang of the break-up to 1968.

Part 1 of Episode 1 focuses on the first half of the year; part 2 on the second.

Too Busy being John and Paul: George Harrison’s Role in “How Do You Sleep?”

In Part 2 of our deep dive into “How Do You Sleep?”, we attempt to dissect George’s role in the creation of the song, his perspective on Lennon-McCartney as a unit, and the impact his participation may have had on George’s relationships with both John and Paul.

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