The john calling paul god part of your latest episode (thank you btw!!) reminded me of a quote I wondered if you’ve seen. “Cynthia Lennon is a goddess, you know. Paul is a god. Aren’t I lucky to have such a religion?” Supposedly from ~66 I think but I can’t find the source.
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Hello there, and thank you for the feedback! 🙂
All of us have seen this quote floating around unattributed, but haven’t ever been able to find the original source, so we are fairly suspect about it. There have been a number of manufactured Beatles quotes making the rounds for years so this could very well be one of them. If anyone out there in Internet-land has the original quote and source, it could be helpful in solving this riddle. 🙂 But we have all tried to find it to no avail.
Thanks for listening to us and we hope you continue to enjoy! 🙂
Listener feedback is valuable to us, and we love it when someone takes the time to reach out and engage us in conversation! We will occasionally feature letters we receive which spark some interesting discussion or debate (with name redacted for privacy). Here is one of them, which was particularly interesting because it challenged us to clarify our position Mark Lewisohn, as well as how we view the state of McCartney’s critical reputation.
Please do feel free to email us at akompodcast at gmail dot com, send us an ask, or a Tumblr message. We love hearing from you!
I’m glad I discovered your podcast, you ladies are doing a great job. You’re discourse on 1968, India etc. was new and really made me think. A couple of minor critiques: As a McCartney fan, even I have to say your advocacy of his “position” (if we can call it that) is a bit over the top and defensive. Surprisingly for Beatle fans of your age, your characterization of the critical and Beatle world consensus on Paul seems quite dated. This is 2019, not 1985. Nowadays McCartney’s standing, critically and among fans, is sky high. The Jean Jackets are not as influential as you think. Finally, Mark Lewisohn does not deserve the derision you subject him too. He is a very serious and responsible guy, a true historian who cares about getting things right. Don’t lump him in with the hacks. Anyway, keep up the good work. I’ll be listening
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Thank you so much for taking the time to reach out to us! We LOVE to hear from listeners and are so glad you’re enjoying the podcast.
It’s refreshing to hear that you don’t believe the Jean Jacket narratives are as influential as they once were! We hope this is the case. The more popular podcasts (by older “experts”) and websites all appear to be steeped in the traditional narrative, but I agree that younger fans often have a more nuanced view of things.
As far as Paul goes, this is something we’ve heard strains of before; that Paul doesn’t need you to defend him, he’s rich, he’s happy, etc. Many people think the record has already been corrected, so what are we even reacting to? I’d argue that it’s not about “Paul bashing” (although that still exists too) it’s about a sort of perceived artistic hierarchy – with John at the top and Paul underneath- that many in the Beatles fandom still buy into. Lewisohn is actually one of the worst offenders in this regard because he relentlessly perpetuates this hierarchy in Tune In, and fervently continues to push it. Lewisohn admits John is his hero and so we find that John is always the hero of The Beatles story from Mark’s POV. That’s a perfectly fine position to have as a fan, but when you write this into a biography that claims to be unbiased, it’s problematic. It may not wholly invalidate his work (for example, he may be a good researcher) but we believe in holding Lewisohn to at least the same standards to which we hold ourselves.
Our goal with this podcast is to critically examine what we’re being told by those crafting the narratives and that often involves what some may consider “nitpicking.” But in tearing down the wall we feel we should examine each brick. Our efforts to position Paul as an equal to John are by definition disruptive to the status quo and therefore may sometimes require an “over the top” vigilance. However, our podcast is but a drop in the Sea of Conventional Wisdom so sometimes we decide a “squeaky wheel” approach is required to drive our point home. It takes an extraordinary effort to challenge views that have resided in the public consciousness for fifty years! Hopefully the occasional zeal on our part is tolerable 🙂 and we ultimately take the listener to a thought-provoking place.
Once again, thank you so much for contacting us and sharing your perspective! We learn a lot by hearing from listeners like you, and hope you stick with us.
This podcast is absolutely wonderful and everything the Beatles fandom need! Good, in depth research; love, respect & compassion for the very real people you’re talking about; a kind but firm way to address the issues the common narrative tends to sweep under the rug; a gentle challenge to this “received narrative”; a sense of humor that made me laugh out loud (I’m definitely keeping “jean jackets” for my own use, if you don’t mind). Thank you for this beautiful work and please keep it coming!
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We’re so glad you’re enjoying the podcast, and thank you for saying those nice things about us! 🙂 We do try hard to create a high quality product, so we really appreciate you reaching out! We hope you continue to enjoy for a long time to come!
In the second installment of our Break-up series, Diana and Phoebe take a DEEP look into January 1969, when the Beatles record and film Let it Be.
Part 1 reflects on the sub-textual conversation revealed in their behaviors and their music. Part 2 (Coming very soon!) looks at some of the underlying issues of the break-up as they play out in this period.
This multi-part series explores the emotional roots of the Beatles break-up with a focus on Lennon/McCartney.
Episode suggestion: analyzing Beatles authors through the years and their biases, narratives, limitations- Including some overdue Lewisohn discourse 🙂 kind of like the work of Erin Weber at the Historian and the Beatles. Keep up the great work! Thank you for what you do.
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Hello, and thank you so much for the suggestion! 🙂 That is an excellent suggestion, in fact, and one we have been discussing! Stay tuned! And thank you so much for the feedback! 🙂 We love hearing from our listeners!
I absolutely adore your podcast! I’ve listened to all the episodes a couple times now and am so stoked for your next installment (It’s a huge relief to finally hear female voices on these topics). I was wondering if you guys could recommend any solid, unbiased reading material? Also, I was very curious about future Beatle topics you might cover? I intend to be a long, long-term fan. 😉 Thanks for all your hard work, it’s definitely not gone unnoticed.
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Hello, and thank you so much for listening to us! 🙂 We are really glad you’re enjoying it! We’ve been thinking about doing a fun episode about all of our “Beatles Recs” – books, media, and all manner of “Beatles stuff” that we like! In the mean time, here’s a short list of some of the books we like:
– Paul McCartney: Many Years from Now by Barry Miles
– McCartney: The Definitive Biography by Chris Salewicz
– Loving John by May Pang
– John by Cynthia Lennon
– The Beatles by Hunter Davies
– Summer of Love by George Martin
– Here, There and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick
– Miss O’Dell by Chris O’Dell
– Wonderful Tonight by Pattie Boyd
Since this also counts as reading material, I would also strongly recommend every fan read Maureen Cleave’s pieces in the Evening Standard on each Beatle. She did excellent work profiling each of the guys – it’s a wonderful, contemporaneous source, and great fun to read!
The @truthaboutthebeatlesgirls Tumblr has all the articles! 🙂
In terms of future topics, we of course have the “If I Ran Away from You” series about the Lennon-McCartney and Beatles breakup which Diana and Phoebe are hard at work on! And there are many more topics in the pipeline; it seems with the Beatles we can never run out of things to talk about! We are reluctant to tease too much as we like to surprise people with topics, but we promise to keep the episodes interesting and full of fun and freshness! 🙂
Thank you so much again for listening to us! We love listener feedback! 🙂 Stay tuned, there are so many good things coming!
Hi! Love love love what you guys are doing and no pressure, but just wondering on an ETA for the next episode? Thank you so much!
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Hello! 🙂 We’re so happy you’re loving our podcast!
We love it too, so we are taking great care to make sure the next episode is amazing and of a high quality. Researching, recording, and then editing our conversations into something cohesive and enjoyable to listen to do take a lot of time and care. We hope to have our next episode out early this coming week!
Thank you so much for this podcast. Someone had to do it (!!!) but I’m glad you’re doing such an excellent job of it. I might be your biggest fan, I was so hungry for this specific content that I’ve listened to some of the episodes 3-4 times already. But I’m probably not the only one and I’m sure you’re making something that will last and be important to a lot of people. Thanks again – I hope it’s fun to make – I look forward to every next episode!
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Wow, thank you so much for this kind feedback! It always feels good to know that people are enjoying what we make!
It does indeed take a lot of time and effort to make this podcast, but we have a great time doing it!
Thanks for listening to us, and we hope you keep enjoying us for a long time to come!
In this multi-part series, Diana and Phoebe explore the emotional roots of the Beatles break-up with a focus on Lennon/McCartney. They use John’s and Paul’s contemporaneous words and behaviors to challenge the traditional narrative and show how this delicate negotiation for love and security went disastrously awry. In the first installment, they begin their re-examination by tracing the Big Bang of the break-up to 1968.
Part 1 of Episode 1 focuses on the first half of the year; part 2 on the second.
“There is no shortage of sources for information about The Beatles. The most popular music group in history has had thousands of books, articles, documentaries—thousands upon thousands of words written or spoken—etc, all produced about them. And now nearly 60 years since they first came together onstage as The Beatles, especially in the post-Beatles Anthology years, it would seem as though nothing more needs to be said. But as younger fans take up the mantle of musicological scholarship about the Fab Four from the hands of the Baby Boomers who first knew and revered and wrote hagiographies about them, an interesting thing has begun to happen.
This is where Another Kind of Mind: A Fresh Look at The Beatles, a new Beatles podcast, steps in. Fronted by a group of passionate young women (somewhere around the Gen-X/Millennial age boundary) AKOM enters the ring determined to wade through the bullshit of Beatles discourse to try to get to the heart of some of the issues surrounding the fandom.
They’re only a month old, but so far they’ve tackled Ringo Starr’s musical style and contributions to the band, George Harrison’s involvement in “How Do You Sleep?”, John Lennon’s song-attack on Paul McCartney, Yoko Ono’s artistic output (both as a competent and interesting solo artist and as John‘s final creative partner), and the intense Lennon/McCartney relationship. Not bad for a brand-new podcast!”